Where is the outrage over the suckage of Brian Wilson??

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Papool	Where is the outrage over the suckage of Brian Wilson??	Lead	[-]
Posts: 233 (07/07/09 8:58 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I am extremely surprised to not see much criticism of Brian Wilson here. What gives? Am I the only one who has thought for years that he's an extremely below average closer? How many heart attacks and blown saves does this guy have to give us before he is dumped as closer?? He obviously doesn't have closer stuff. Last night was a perfect example of this, and so was that saturday game at Milwaukee a few weeks ago. He'd get to many 0-2 counts but couldn't seal the deal. He can't consistently close out batters, and thus he shouldn't be a closer. My non-Giants fans friends didn't get it until I explained it like this: Brian Wilson is not the worst closer in MLB. He's the worst closer with the most secure job. Why isn't there EVER talk about a new closer? With any other team, all of these heart attacks and blown saves would get rumblings going (even for teams that don't have great bullpens), but not here. Why? It can't just be "well, there isn't anyone else." I don't buy that. This is just extremely frustrating and I can just see it now: The Giants continue their miracle run into the playoffs and ride the starting pitching all the way to the World Series. But in the World Series the Giants need a closer to close out tight games 1-4, and Brian Wilson brings his subpar stuff and our boys get swept...again. Considering that this team could get into the playoffs and do damage, this is something that needs to be addressed, IMHO.
Bastitch		#1	[-]
Posts: 429 (07/07/09 9:05 AM) Masher Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think it's pretty clear why there's no outrage. The W. Nobody wants to be the whiny douchebag when we're still winning anyway.Well, I guess maybe some people do. :wq
SLOGiant		#2	[-]
Posts: 2846 (07/07/09 9:35 AM) Nuschler Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	For last night, the none inning ending double play when Renteria was late to cover second and made a bad throw to first. For the season, Boche using a closer for 8th and 9th innings. For the season and last night, Boche using a closer in none save situations. Tones down the outrage when all is combined. 'Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.' Bill Terry Last Edited By: SLOGiant 07/07/09 9:37 AM. Edited 1 times.
GiantsRMyGuys		#3	[-]
Posts: 96 (07/07/09 9:41 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	(Ginger, don't read this!!) I couldn't help but be reminded of a few nail-biting saves by Robby Nen in his glory days. You need to look at it in the overall scheme of things. He isn't Armando Benitez. And he HAS saved more than a few games for us. ...With all due deference to the baseball gods...
Jim Pansy		#4	[-]
Posts: 1308 (07/07/09 9:47 AM) Chief Beer Inspector Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Brian Wilson is doing a fine job if you regard saves as being a valid baseball statistic. Given that most people do, and given the ridiculous amount of money needed to replace him, and given the fact that most people don't want to appear churlish in light of the far above expectation season the Giants are having, I'm not surprised at the lack of criticism. Papool - a word of advice, just because you regard something as true and the majority clearly don't, doesn't mean you have to be passive aggressive in your postings. A refuse from a silver phial Put her faith into the moons and stars She said she had a mind that slept inside tomorrow And time could only heal its scars
RobbGin		#5	[-]
Posts: 3700 (07/07/09 10:03 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Bruce Bochy is not a quote machine, but he might've had his best line of the year when describing Wilson's ninth. "I guess you get a save for that," Bochy said. Quote from Baggs blog today. I think most people would agree he barely holds on to that job. But he does. We haven't had a real closer since...... I can't even say it. I think closing is as much style as substance. Ya gotta have a shtick. Unfortunately Brian takes this a bit too far and when he implodes .... well it gets uglier. And really it's tough and painful to break in a new one. Romo may look good now but there IS a learning curve and the teflon suit fitting. Bochy had Romo warming so that sends a message. I just cross my fingers and close my eyes and hope that he doesn't walk in the winning run. And look in horror while it unveils in slow motion.....
RobbGin		#6	[-]
Posts: 3701 (07/07/09 10:10 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ginger, don't read this!!) I couldn't help but be reminded of a few nail-biting saves by Robby Nen in his glory days. Pfffft. I told everyone in those days that he did that just so I could see him pitch alittle longer. I have NO idea why this stressed anyone.
Bleacher140		#7	[-]
Posts: 6535 (07/07/09 10:17 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Papool: You been around off and on for the last couple of seasons. There has been outrage over Brian Wilson's inefficient ways. But what can you do? His WHIP and ERA is mediocre. But he does wiggle out of many of his jams, more times than not. At this point, people take him for what he is, Don Stanhouse Jr. "I don't know what the goal is anymore," Morris said. "Is it to win games?"
DesertDave		#8	[-]
Posts: 2986 (07/07/09 10:38 AM) I Left My Heart In San Francisco Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	SLOGiant wrote: For last night, the none inning ending double play when Renteria was late to cover second and made a bad throw to first. Not to make Renteria a do all, be all SS, I imagine that he was 100% sure that Wilson would have gone home, which he should have done. It was an automatic. In addition, the quality of his throw to 1B was influenced by being taken out by the runner. He was lucky to get the throw off, IMO. "Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak"
mameluke		#9	[-]
Posts: 885 (07/07/09 10:47 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I still can't get over the fact that Wilson didn't throw home.
SLOGiant		#10	[-]
Posts: 2847 (07/07/09 10:54 AM) Nuschler Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	DesertDave wrote: SLOGiant wrote: For last night, the none inning ending double play when Renteria was late to cover second and made a bad throw to first. Not to make Renteria a do all, be all SS, I imagine that he was 100% sure that Wilson would have gone home, which he should have done. It was an automatic. In addition, the quality of his throw to 1B was influenced by being taken out by the runner. He was lucky to get the throw off, IMO. I know, I know. It's those years of Omar that make me expect the extraordinary out of the ordinary. Us oldtimers remember Shooter. I think I have arrhythmia from that era.. 'Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.' Bill Terry Last Edited By: SLOGiant 07/07/09 10:58 AM. Edited 1 times.
sfgiantdave		#11	[-]
Posts: 895 (07/07/09 11:03 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Right now Brian Wilson is an above average closer rather than an elite one. As far as I'm concern he is the best closer we had since Robb Nen. He sure is a lot better then Worell, Herges, and Benitez The upside is he is only 26 years old, it's only his second season has a full time closer. In other words he may get better in the next few years as he gains more experience in this role. I keep in mind that this team was built to make a big run in 2011 and the fact the Giants are leading the WC this year is amazing! Sure Brian Wilson has his bad moments. When it's all said and done he is affordable, still has the ability to get better, and he is already an above average closer which means we won't have to go out on the FA market and throw out $20M + for another Armando Benitez.
StupendousBoy		#12	[-]
Posts: 1917 (07/07/09 11:14 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hey Papool. Well speaking for myself, I have no outrage when it comes to Brian. I cover my face with my hands and peek through my fingers a lot! But hey, it's the big leagues and it's hard to be successful here. Brian has an amazing fastball. When he locates it he's lights out. When he can't locate it, he still has a chance to be lights out. When he can't locate it and he really gets wild, like last night, then it's a toss up. I believe he is having difficulty with his mechanics. He's throwing across his body sometimes, and his front shoulder is definitely flying open for a portion of almost every outing he has. Oh well, you know? At least he doesn't melt down mentally out there. He's got an awfully short memory, a bulldog mentality, and he's loosey goosey. As soon as he get's some more consistency with his mechanics, he's going to be a monster; possibly as bad ass as Goose Gossage. That's my feeling about Brian. I still feel that hitters do not like facing him; I can see it in their approach. I try to enjoy Brian's outings as much as possible - I just figure "well here we go!" and I kiss my wife like I'm saying goodbye, eskimo kiss my daughter and kiss my sanity goodbye. The other night I was furious when he gave it up in Milwaukee. I wanted that win so badly; really that's why I was mad. Brian did have a bad night, but I was over it the next day. Hey, he's over it too!
KalBearz		#13	[-]
Posts: 3073 (07/07/09 12:55 PM) GoldenBoy Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I can't get behind Wilson anymore but it has nothing to do with his pitching. X His game is pretty ok. He does the job even though he does it with a style I don't necessarily enjoy. To say I'm always nervous when he is on the hill. A lot of the time it is warranted and sometimes it is not and he flat out dominates. Romo actually shown some weakness is recent weeks so as far as I'm concerned I'm good with running his butt out there. His numbers surprising look a lot better than they feel. But of course you PAPOOL are entitled to your opinion no matter what it may be since it is an open forum after-all.
SLOGiant		#14	[-]
Posts: 2848 (07/07/09 1:21 PM) Nuschler Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ditto, KB. It would be a very dull place without that. Last week, SfDave and I were all over each other. Did I enjoy it? Yes. Did I get a virtual bloody nose? Yes. We agreed to disagree and went back to our corners. Hopefully, we can do it again. Slog 'Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.' Bill Terry
Missy and Boo		#15	[-]
Posts: 2791 (07/07/09 3:17 PM) Official Giants Pessimist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I don't know if you were here Papool, when Wilson was absolutely skewered when he blew a save and we found out he had been on twitter being all macho and idiotic in the wee hours of the night previous to that blown save. He quit doing twitter after that. He gets raked over the coals when he blows saves, as any closer does. It's damned hard to lose a game in the 8th or 9th when you're thinking you're on your way to shutting the door on a W, and when it happens, the closer bears the brunt of the fans' anger. But like Bastitch said, he did manage to pull it off last night, even with a near heart attack for us fans. He is imperfect. But in no way should he be shoved out the door at this point. He wins more than he loses. For this team, that's something I can be quite content with.
MarcoPolo666		#16	[-]
Posts: 758 (07/07/09 4:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	He's doing fine for a guy making close to league minimum. Next year he will be arb-eligible, however. At that point, it will be time to trade him to a team that mistakenly believes that two years of 40+ saves is something special, and replace him with Romo or Affeldt or Snyder or Patterson or ...
geezer123	Re: Where is the outrage over the suckage of Brian Wilson??	#17	[-]
Posts: 84 (07/07/09 6:02 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Say Hey - There is only 1 Mariano Rivera. You know, that guy who has 21 saves and 1 blown save this year (that follows last year's 39 save w/1 blown save season). Rivera, the guy with 42 K's (10.9/9 ins.) and 3 BB. And the 0.92 WHIP. Brian Wilson is not an All Star this year. His 4 blown saves takes the edge off his 22 saves. He's not an All Star, but he is in the small group just below that level. The Giants don't have anyone near his level and there's no one available that would be a significant upgrade. As far as outrage, the Mets fans should be over KRod who is totally over-rated. He's blown 3 saves this year. Last year he set the saves record, but he had 7 blown saves. And last year he just about never pitched in the 8th, so he never came into a game with men on base and the game on the line. Brian Wilson is a worry. He's not a shut them down closer. Actually, he's a heart attack. But in the field of closers he's still very good. geezer123
GiantsPrincess		#18	[-]
Posts: 1955 (07/07/09 7:17 PM) Her Royal Highness Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It was all over my facebook page last night until I started remembering how often Nen would put guys on, etc. The only difference was that I had complete confidence in Nen and I don't in Wilson. Maybe that will come in time. Normal is just a cycle on the washing machine! Last Edited By: GiantsPrincess 07/07/09 7:21 PM. Edited 1 times.
Papool		#19	[-]
Posts: 234 (07/07/09 11:36 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Jim Pansy wrote: Papool - a word of advice, just because you regard something as true and the majority clearly don't, doesn't mean you have to be passive aggressive in your postings. First off, thanks to everyone for their comments. I appreciate it. As to this particular thing quoted: 1.) The majority "clearly" don't? You might want to read all the posts in this thread. I think you might be mistaken 2.) Not sure what you mean by me being "passive aggressive" in my postings. If you want to elaborate, I'm all ears. As to this topic in general, watching Wilson pitch simply makes me wonder why there aren't more threads questioning why Wilson is still the closer. On other teams when a closer falters, I know on my fantasy baseball I get a note from yahoo from some expert saying that the closer is in trouble of losing his job. I NEVER see that with Wilson. In fact, the next Yahoo note I expect to see is one saying not to worry about BW not getting the save opp tonight simply because he wasn't used since he had a long inning last night, and that there is nothing else to read into it. I understand that the argument that "We don't have anyone else." is valid, but I guess I am advocating for more opps for Romo. After all, K to BB ratio is a huge stat for closers. Dominant closers strike out many, and walk very few. Elite closers like Joe Nathan are at 6.14 K's per BB this season. Sergio Romo is at 4.66. Brian Wilson, the worst closer with the most secure closer job in MLB? A mere 2.8 K's per BB. Yes people mentioned Nen sometimes had rough outings, but guess what? Only once as a Giant was he below 3 K:BB (2.85 in 1998, and guess what again? No playoffs that year and Nen had 8 losses and Wilson is already halfway there this year), and otherwise as a Giant Nen was above 4 K:BB. Besides 1998, Nen was a much better Giants closer than Wilson. What bothers me about Wilson the most is that he isn't able to put people away. Go back and watch his blow up in the ninth at Milwaukee in that Saturday game. He had 0-2 counts on just about everybody. But where is that strikeout pitch? I love that he can throw 100 MPH, but if you can throw that fast, you need a changeup. Does anyone disagree that Wilson could be lethal with a solid changeup? Take a mere 10MPH off with the same arm action and you'll rack up the K's easy, and we all know it. Right now it seems like he is only throwing fastballs and sliders. I understand many closers are two pitch pitchers, but with his fastball so fast, I'd love to see a changeup. Anyone else agree?
KalBearz		#20	[-]
Posts: 3074 (07/07/09 11:55 PM) GoldenBoy Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I understand many closers are two pitch pitchers, but with his fastball so fast, I'd love to see a changeup. Anyone else agree? "The Dream"

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